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Showing posts with label Kickstarter. Show all posts
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Thursday, October 6, 2011

Ex-Journey man in Kickstarter row

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5 October 2011 Last updated at 12:16 GMT Screenshot of Kickstarter website The method of using a central location for several crowd-funding efforts is to be disputed in court Kickstarter, the website which has raised over $75 million (£50m) for creative projects, is under threat over a patent row.

Former rock star Brian Camelio has claimed that the site infringes a patent relating to crowd-funding models which he was granted in February.

According to court papers, Mr Camelio repeatedly approached the company to discuss licensing terms.

Kickstarter has called for the patent to be invalidated.

Mr Camelio, a former session musician for rock band Journey, was granted a patent for "Methods and apparatuses for financing and marketing a creative work" in February 2011.

He is the chief executive of ArtistShare, a website which, like Kickstarter, lets music fans pledge money to projects in exchange for some involvement in the creative process.

The patent covers a method of funding based around the concept of artists registering to a central database and offering perks to backers of projects.

Kickstarter, founded in 2009, invites film makers, musicians, inventors and other creative people to present ideas on the site.

Visitors are then asked for donations in return for gifts or experiences such as walk-on parts or album notes.

Successful projects include the movie Save Blue Like Jazz - which raised over $200,000 (£130,000) - and Diaspora, an idea for an open-source social network which also raised over $200,000 in donations, including from Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg.

Court papers filed by Kickstarter on 30 September detail how Mr Camelio wrote to the site a month after the patent was granted seeking "amicable discussions" about licensing agreements surrounding the patent.

Kickstarter allege that Mr Camelio was involved in setting up a separate company, Fan Funded, in order to strengthen his patent claim.

After receiving no reply to his correspondence, Mr Camelio is said to have appeared "unannounced" at the New York headquarters of Kickstarter to request a meeting with its founders - but he was told no representative was available.

Discussions were eventually held, but they have since broken down.

Hand-outs

Kickstarter said it now expects to be sued by Mr Camelio for patent infringement, and has requested that the federal courts deem the patent invalid.

Failing that, it hopes to prove that Kickstarter is not guilty of infringement.

Mr Camelio founded ArtistShare in 2000 before applying for the patent three years later.

Screenshot of ArtistShare ArtistShare was founded in 2000 before the disputed patent was applied for

He told PaidContent.org that Kickstarter's court action was "shocking", suggesting that the company even offered to buy the patent.

In addition, he told the site that he has fundamental issues with Kickstarter's funding approach.

"I feel that Kickstarter may be hurting artists by focusing on 'donating money' rather than celebrating the artist for what they do.

"Their model does not build fan relationships but just continually asks for hand outs."

Kickstarter was founded by Perry Chen, Yancey Strickler, and Charles Adler and has since grown into the biggest crowd-funded creative site in the world.

The site takes a 5% cut of money raised, but does not keep any ownership of the project.



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Wednesday, October 5, 2011

Kickstarter in Legal Battle with Former 'Journey' Musician (No, Really)

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Kickstarter has made a name for itself by giving all manner of artists a chance to afford to fulfill their ambitions through the wonders of crowdsourcing, but now the start-up is facing an unexpected legal battle over whether or not it can do so without infringing on a patent owned by a former member of Journey and Phish, of all people.

To make matters more strange, Kickstarter is the one behind the legal action. The company is suing musician Brian Camelio who, according to the lawsuit, claims that the company is infringing on his patent for a method to allow fans to financially contribute towards musicians' recording costs. The lawsuit seeks for the patent to be declared invalid, and for the company to be recognized as not liable for any infringement claims.

(MORE: Kickstarter Takes Movie From Bankrupt to Sundance)

The filed suit only adds to the oddness of the situation, including multiple episodes where Camelio claims patent infringement but won't go into any detail when asked, the formation of a second company by Camelio three days after Kickstarter was threatened with legal action by his first, or Camelio's repeated suggestions that Kickstarter license his patent with an additional annual royalty payment or else face legal action.

For his part, Camelio claims that the legal action is "shocking" because Kickstarter had attempted to outright buy the patent from him. And anyway, Kickstarter is bad for artists, says Camelio:

"As an artist myself, I feel that KickStarter may be hurting artists by focusing on 'donating money' rather than celebrating the artist for what they do. Their model does not build fan relationships but just continually asks for hand outs."

If nothing else, this could make for an interesting trial, should it get that far.

MORE: SEC Mulls Letting Businesses Fundraise Through Social Media

[via paidContent]

Graeme McMillan is a reporter at TIME. Find him on Twitter at @Graemem or on Facebook at Facebook/Graeme.McMillan. You can also continue the discussion on TIME's Facebook page and on Twitter at @TIME.



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Ex-Journey man in Kickstarter row

AppId is over the quota
AppId is over the quota
5 October 2011 Last updated at 12:16 GMT Screenshot of Kickstarter website The method of using a central location for several crowd-funding efforts is to be disputed in court Kickstarter, the website which has raised over $75 million (£50m) for creative projects, is under threat over a patent row.

Former rock star Brian Camelio has claimed that the site infringes a patent relating to crowd-funding models which he was granted in February.

According to court papers, Mr Camelio repeatedly approached the company to discuss licensing terms.

Kickstarter has called for the patent to be invalidated.

Mr Camelio, a former session musician for rock band Journey, was granted a patent for "Methods and apparatuses for financing and marketing a creative work" in February 2011.

He is the chief executive of ArtistShare, a website which, like Kickstarter, lets music fans pledge money to projects in exchange for some involvement in the creative process.

The patent covers a method of funding based around the concept of artists registering to a central database and offering perks to backers of projects.

Kickstarter, founded in 2009, invites film makers, musicians, inventors and other creative people to present ideas on the site.

Visitors are then asked for donations in return for gifts or experiences such as walk-on parts or album notes.

Successful projects include the movie Save Blue Like Jazz - which raised over $200,000 (£130,000) - and Diaspora, an idea for an open-source social network which also raised over $200,000 in donations, including from Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg.

Court papers filed by Kickstarter on 30 September detail how Mr Camelio wrote to the site a month after the patent was granted seeking "amicable discussions" about licensing agreements surrounding the patent.

Kickstarter allege that Mr Camelio was involved in setting up a separate company, Fan Funded, in order to strengthen his patent claim.

After receiving no reply to his correspondence, Mr Camelio is said to have appeared "unannounced" at the New York headquarters of Kickstarter to request a meeting with its founders - but he was told no representative was available.

Discussions were eventually held, but they have since broken down.

Hand-outs

Kickstarter said it now expects to be sued by Mr Camelio for patent infringement, and has requested that the federal courts deem the patent invalid.

Failing that, it hopes to prove that Kickstarter is not guilty of infringement.

Mr Camelio founded ArtistShare in 2000 before applying for the patent three years later.

Screenshot of ArtistShare ArtistShare was founded in 2000 before the disputed patent was applied for

He told PaidContent.org that Kickstarter's court action was "shocking", suggesting that the company even offered to buy the patent.

In addition, he told the site that he has fundamental issues with Kickstarter's funding approach.

"I feel that Kickstarter may be hurting artists by focusing on 'donating money' rather than celebrating the artist for what they do.

"Their model does not build fan relationships but just continually asks for hand outs."

Kickstarter was founded by Perry Chen, Yancey Strickler, and Charles Adler and has since grown into the biggest crowd-funded creative site in the world.

The site takes a 5% cut of money raised, but does not keep any ownership of the project.



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